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AMERICAN THEATRE | Jewish Pleasure, Jewish Trauma: Why They Really feel Completely different Onstage Now

Brandon Uranowitz and Caissie Levy in “Leopoldstadt” (picture by Joan Marcus); Micaela Diamond and Ben Platt in “Parade” (picture by Joan Marcus); Johnny Berchtold and Lily McInerny in “Camp Siegfried” (picture by Emilio Madrid); forged members of “Fiddler on the Roof” (picture by Matthew Murphy); Tovah Feldshuh and Lea Michele in “Humorous Woman” (picture by Matthew Murphy)

A household saga spanning generations, an intimate two-hander set on Lengthy Island, a long-awaited revival of an under-sung traditional, and two reimaginations of traditional American musicals—stylistically and aesthetically, Leopoldstadt, Camp Siegfried, Parade, the Yiddish Fiddler on the Roof, and Humorous Woman have little in widespread. Besides, in fact, for all that they do. At a time of rising antisemitism and right-wing violence, every of those works examines the current second’s roots in a not-so-distant previous. Taken as a bunch, they converse to one another. With full credit score to a creative-thinking press consultant at Boneau/Bryan-Brown, American Theatre convened this dialog, bringing collectively a bunch of theatrical luminaries to debate the shared language, fears, goals, themes, and imaginations of their performs: Veteran actor Joel Gray, who directed the Yiddish Fiddler; Tovah Feldshuh, who stars at Rosie Brice in Humorous Woman; Caissie Levy, who stars in Leopoldstadt; Michael Arden, who directed Parade at Metropolis Middle; and Bess Wohl, who wrote Camp Siegfried. The dialog has been edited for concision and readability, and likewise seems as an audio podcast right here.

GABRIELLE HOYT: Theatre is commonly criticized for its incapability to reply with immediacy to the current second. That’s not an issue on your exhibits, which run the gamut from tales of Jewish success to narratives of American Nazis to every part in between. What I wish to do on this hour greater than the rest is discover what your work means at the moment, in November 2022, and what it means to modern audiences, and what it means to every of you. So really, the place I wish to begin this dialog—and once more, see all of the magical and inventive ways in which all of you are taking it—is by asking: What do every of the performs that you simply’re right here to speak about at the moment imply to you, personally? And the way do their narratives intersect with your personal?

JOEL GREY: Having the Ukraine circumstance as a background to this play at the moment—because it seems, we discuss Kyiv in Yiddish—and you understand, it’s about that point when all of our kinfolk have been dwelling there and working away. And these individuals in Ukraine are nonetheless working away. And the truth that it’s occurring in actual time actually sits on my head.

GABRIELLE: Thanks, Joel.

CAISSIE LEVY: After I first learn Leopoldstadt and auditioned for it, I used to be struck by the themes of the play being as related at the moment, the conversations between the members of the family of, “Are Jews protected? The place are we protected? Does Israel matter? Do we’d like a homeland of our personal?” I’ve these debates with my husband day-after-day. And this was earlier than the headlines of the final month or so, which have simply been so terribly terrible and scary. So, you understand, l’dor v’dor, era to era, I feel these are questions that Jews have been asking themselves because the starting of time, and right here we’re once more, asking them.

JOEL: The identical questions. Proper.

TOVAH FELDSHUH: I can soar in. I feel that the Jewish individuals have the nice benefit of the concern of extinction. I feel it’s crucial to face up and inform the Jewish story. I additionally suppose it’s very attention-grabbing that in Humorous Woman, I’m the primary actress of the Jewish faith to play Rosie Brice. Attention-grabbing. So these Jews, proficient Jews, wrote this Jewish story. And Rosie Brice—Rosia Borach—owned 4 saloons in Manhattan. They noticed the phrase “saloon” and guess who received these components? Irish Catholic actresses. For many years. So after this newest rendition with the fantastic Beanie Feldstein and Jane Lynch, one of many producers who occurs to be of a Jewish background—really, two of them—thought, “Oh, why don’t we forged a Jew on this half, you understand?” In order that they did. And it labored. And my job is to make this Rosie Brice notably Jewish. Not notably American. That is without doubt one of the joys of doing Humorous Woman. Now, Harvey [Fierstein] has rewritten a few of the script, and it says, “Mazel Tov, Fanny” on Henry Road. And I requested to name Fannie “Fannele” and so they stated sure. I requested to place in “oy yoy yoy,” and we lastly received the “toi toi toi” proper. As a result of it’s in my heritage—definitely it’s in Joel’s and my heritage.

MICHAEL ARDEN: I can discuss Parade a bit bit. , this can be a musical that I feel many individuals have identified for some time, however not seen in a very long time. 

JOEL: I used to be there opening evening on the Lincoln Middle!

MICHAEL: Wow! Curiously sufficient, it didn’t get fairly the life it deserved initially. I feel it was taking part in within the Clinton years, once we thought that we form of had every part behind us: that we had found out racism, that we had form of determined that antisemitism was a factor that died, actually through the Chilly Battle. And so, it felt like a bit extra of historic fiction. And, right here we have been rehearsing in Metropolis Middle—a 10-day rehearsal course of—and on day three, individuals have been doing Nazi salutes over the 405. And in order that was what it felt like daily. We started to grasp the work that we have been doing, the story that we have been telling, which is in the end about how individuals’s traumas, un-dealt with over time, turn out to be hatred, reciprocal retribution, and turn out to be—they attempt to inflict trauma upon others, as a result of they consider that there’s not sufficient on the planet. They consider that the success of another person, that another person is getting one thing, signifies that they’re dropping one thing. So this grew to become increasingly prescient day-after-day.

So it was fascinating to get to work on this present proper now. And I feel we started to see whereas we have been engaged on it daily that what we have been doing was—is, really—actually, actually, actually necessary. And to have the ability to take a look at one thing that actually occurred, this true story of Leo Frank and his lynching, after which take a look at it by the form of submit—not submit, however because the Black Lives Matter motion has begun—to have a look at how racism and antisemitism are the identical factor. It’s all about white supremacy and the way that has infiltrated the judicial system, our political system, our education, how we’re educated. And so getting into into it, we wished to inform a chunk of historic trauma, and it grew to become one thing way more related. That was fascinating, upsetting, however thank God we had an opportunity to inform that story each evening final week.

BESS WOHL: It’s actually attention-grabbing listening to everybody discuss as a result of it’s simply resonating a lot with every part that’s in my mind proper now—the phobia of historical past repeating itself and and how are you going to study from what we’ve been by, and hopefully, stay with extra consciousness and motion and all of the issues that we’re striving for. My play can be historic, and it takes place in 1938 on Lengthy Island, and it form of got here from—I wrote it in the summertime of 2020 through the reelection marketing campaign of Donald Trump, and the setting for the play is an actual summer season camp on Lengthy Island that was known as Camp Siegfried, that was run by the German American Bund within the late Thirties. And principally it was a means of indoctrinating children into Nazi ideology. The pictures and the footage from the Lengthy Island Camp Siegfried appear like it’s straight out of Nazi Germany. Swastikas in every single place. You possibly can’t consider—I imply, after I first encountered this story, I couldn’t consider that this had occurred in America. So I assumed quite a bit about how reluctant we’re to have a look at our personal darkness, the darker components of our historical past, and the way necessary it’s to have a look at them and perceive them. I felt actually personally related to it in quite a lot of methods. The morning after the election of Donald Trump, our neighborhood playground the place my children play was graffitied with swastikas. The morning after. And so I felt this sense that this was actually encroaching, and I wished to have a look at how these actions occur, particularly in America, and I wished to inform a chunk of historical past, but in addition do one thing extra when it comes to taking a look at what occurs within the human psyche that permits these items to develop, and what occurs in our communities that permits these items to develop. And actually attempt to perceive one thing about this sense of mass delusion that may come over individuals, and attempt to create one thing that may wake individuals up from that, or that may not less than allow us to give it some thought in another way. In order that’s the place I’m proper now.

TOVAH: Perhaps it sits within the stomach of man. I used to be with His Eminence Cardinal O’Connor, and I stated, “, I’m only a Jew, however do you actually consider within the satan?” He stated, “Completely, Miss Feldshuh. He sits within the stomach of man.”

GABRIELLE: To me, the factor that binds all these performs collectively is their curiosity in an imagined historic previous. All the pieces from the fables of Sholem Aleichem to Tom Stoppard’s personal exploration of household historical past by Leopoldstadt, to Jason Robert Brown’s musicalization of the lynching of Leo Frank. So I’m actually considering what the previous is saying to us within the current, and likewise what it’s asking of us to think about for the long run. Joel, I might love to start by asking that of you—particularly given Fiddler‘s stunning translation of an American musical into Yiddish—how that act of translation and that depiction of an imagined previous is talking to who we at the moment are.

JOEL: I don’t converse Yiddish. So after I took the job, I needed to say that, and we needed to rehearse it in English first, after which put within the Yiddish. And there have been quite a lot of younger individuals within the play who will not be Jewish, who by no means heard of it, didn’t know something about it, and have become completely fascinated and dedicated to studying this tough language. And getting onstage and seeing the impact of Yiddish on audiences, non-Jewish audiences, listening to this language that they thought perhaps was darkish, unfavourable, “the enemy.” Antisemitism, I imply, it sits in our theatre, as a result of individuals don’t even know that they’re antisemitic, till they do. And this play brings that every one up. As with all of those—this can be a nice thought so that you can put collectively these specific performs to speak about.

GABRIELLE: Michael, I’m wondering if I may throw this to you additionally, due to the very completely different notion of Parade now versus when it got here out, and ask an analogous query: What’s the retelling and retelling of this story doing for us now, in 2022, that maybe, it was telling all alongside however we’re listening to in another way now? 

MICHAEL: Yeah, I feel retelling is the one means we bear in mind. It’s the one means we’re pressured to reexamine one thing from the completely different vantage factors of our personal age and expertise. For example, after I first learn or knew Parade as a school scholar, I went to Lincoln Middle and watched the seize, and, you understand, it means a lot extra to me now. It really is a wholly completely different story to me now. I assumed, “Oh, this can be a love story about two individuals, you understand, in opposition to all odds.” And positive, that’s a part of it,  however to me now, seeing it based mostly on expertise, each mine and my expertise of the world, that adjustments. So if we solely inform a narrative as soon as, how can we study from it? How can we study the complete chance and functionality of the fabric? We’re not really seeing the complete story until we revisit and revisit. It’s why we revisit Shakespeare. It’s why we have fun holidays. I’m not a Jewish individual, so I look and I see we have fun freaking Easter yearly. What’s that about? Why do we have to do this? It’s really about tales. We have to revisit tales at completely different factors in our life in order that extra of the essence and reality and motive for remembrance seems as we develop. In order that’s what it felt prefer to me: the thought of by no means forgetting. In an effort to always remember, you need to proceed to inform, study the story over and over.

Alex Joseph Grayson and the forged of “Parade” at Metropolis Middle. (Photograph by Joan Marcus)

CAISSIE: I really like, Michael, what you simply stated. I used to be interested by Passover, and that that is what we do on Passover—we sit round a desk with our individuals and a few invited visitors, whom we’re commanded to convey into our Seder desk, and we retell the story of our Exodus from Egypt and once we have been enslaved. And the rationale we inform it’s so that we don’t neglect. It’s the identical motive we make theatre; it’s the identical motive we revive exhibits, and we look at them in another way when they’re revived, to attempt to make them extra related to what we’re dwelling by now. So I feel it’s very tied collectively—these items are all very a lot…it’s not an accident that they’re all being carried out proper now. I feel individuals are craving examination of our world. I feel Jewish individuals are actually analyzing their relationship to their Judaism. Jewish Individuals, proper now, what does that imply? It could imply 1,000,000 various things, and Lord is aware of it does. Particularly Jews, we like to disagree about our religion and our faith. I at all times describe Judaism as a Select Your Personal Journey ebook. As a result of everyone actually comes at it from a special angle. However what binds us is: We’re Jews. And we’re wandering. And now we have been from the start of time.

Our tales matter, and I feel we’re claiming them in a means. I see Broadway, particularly Broadway and Off-Broadway, claiming these tales in a means that 5, 10 years in the past, we weren’t. The illustration onstage—the truth that extra Jews are taking part in Jews, as Tovah talked about, that’s not an accident. That’s one thing that individuals are asking themselves, Hmm, why hasn’t this been the case earlier than? Why is it necessary for different minority teams and but not for Jews? So now we’re beginning to ask these robust questions, have these robust discussions with Jews and non-Jews alike, and taking a look at these inherited, inherent biases and emotions about our personal tradition and faith and religion and ethnicity. And that’s what theatre is for.

MICHAEL: It’s so humorous. In Parade, Jason [Robert Brown] stated, that is the primary time there have ever been Jewish individuals taking part in Leo and Lucille Frank in a serious manufacturing, which is loopy to me.

Steven Skybell, center, and the cast of "Fidler Afn Dakh," the U.S. premiere of "Fiddler on the Roof" in Yiddish, directed by Joel Grey and produced by National Yiddish Theatre Folksbiene in 2018 at the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York City. (Photo by Victor Nechay/ProperPix)
Steven Skybell, middle, and the forged of Gray’s Yiddish “Fiddler on the Roof.” (Photograph by Victor Nechay/ProperPix)

GABRIELLE: Joel, earlier than we lose you, I might love to listen to—I’m positive all of us would—about revisiting Fiddler, now, this 12 months. What new issues has it stated to you? What has stunned you? What have you ever seen in it that you simply didn’t even a couple of years in the past, if you staged it brilliantly for the primary time?

JOEL: I at all times considered it as extra Chekhovian than Broadway—that these individuals have been from a really particular shtetl, and so they discuss to one another. And the fashion of musical, when Fiddler got here out, was very radical in a means. However very, very basic, and never particularly Jewish. I don’t suppose they handled the background, besides that the depth of Jerry Robbins’ Yiddishkeit that he had inside him, whether or not he appreciated it or not, got here out. And he knew it. It was in his bones. And it’s in my bones. And I’m going to place it within the forged’s bones, as a result of now we have quite a lot of non-Jews performing on this, and so they’re simply fantastic of their willingness to affix me in being Jewish for a few hours, and being pleased with it and related to it. So it’s actually attention-grabbing, as a result of there are lots of people who don’t converse the language, who don’t take a look at the interpretation, they’re simply into the characters, and so they know what they’re saying. And that was my pleasure, to introduce them to being Jews.

At this level Joel Gray needed to depart the dialog, which continued with the remaining of us.

GABRIELLE: Antisemitism is a societal drawback, proper? It’s a symptom of decline and even collapse at occasions of instability. Whether or not it’s the American South in Parade or Vienna and Western Europe looking for a goal after World Battle I, that’s when it comes up. And it’s a societal drawback. It’s everybody’s drawback. However so typically it will get framed as a Jewish drawback, an issue for Jews, that solely Jews ought to actually care about. I feel one thing that every of your performs does so fantastically is it invitations a whole viewers, not simply Jewish members of an viewers, to contemplate how antisemitism is an issue for all of us. And I might love to debate how you’re feeling like every of your performs is doing so. Bess, I might love to begin with you on this, due to the performs that we’re speaking about at the moment, yours is the one which doesn’t depict Jewish characters. And people characters are very insulated and naïve in some methods, and really realizing and culpable in different methods. I’m questioning how you might be inviting in an entire viewers—each member of an viewers who sees your play at Second Stage—to consider this drawback as our drawback, and an American drawback, particularly.

BESS: Yeah, truthfully, it was very scary for me to begin to consider these characters. It’s a 16-year-old lady, it’s a 17-year-old boy, they’ve been despatched to be indoctrinated on this camp, a Nazi summer season camp, that appears idyllic on the floor and is extremely, devastatingly evil within the underbelly, and deeply antisemitic. And I spent quite a lot of time pondering, What am I asking of an viewers, when it comes to introducing them to those characters? And the way do I would like individuals to be pondering of them? And the way am I pondering of them? And what’s the motive for introducing individuals to those specific characters? All of that was deeply on my thoughts. Additionally, given their age, how can we consider the equation of duty for each of those individuals and never shrink back from it, but in addition not put issues on them that they don’t know but? It’s a really thorny and sophisticated area to navigate. I feel that’s a part of why I used to be considering making an attempt to determine it out. In the end, for me, the query of how we get seduced as a neighborhood and as a society into, within the case of my play, fascistic, actually violent, horrible ideologies, is a part of what I’m making an attempt to trace with these characters. If you meet them, how are they seduced? How are we seduced by them? What are the moments once we neglect, and so they simply appear to be these very nice children? And then you definitely convey grim actuality again in. Calculating all of that on this package deal of a play, which is an instrument of seduction already, and is drawing you in and asking you to neglect issues and telling you a narrative. All of that was a part of why I used to be considering making an attempt to unpack this and take a look at it. As a result of I feel these actions don’t begin with the place they finish. They begin with, “Doesn’t it really feel good to be a part of a neighborhood? Doesn’t it really feel good to face up on your nation? Don’t you wish to?” And so they form of construct individuals up on this means. After which earlier than you understand it, you’ve fallen into one thing actually horrible. So I feel that I used to be considering that—in making an attempt to determine that journey out, as scary and upsetting and horrifying and harmful because it feels each evening.

Johnny Berchtold and Lily McInerny in “Camp Siegfried” at Second Stage. (Photograph by Emilio Madrid)

GABRIELLE: Caissie, I’d love to speak to you about this query, particularly as a result of Leopoldstadt is, in some ways, such a European play. It’s set in Vienna; it initially premiered within the U.Okay. and received the Olivier. I’m particularly considering your expertise as a performer, the way you’re reaching throughout these a number of cultural gaps, and likewise gaps in time as a way to, once more, make this larger than one household’s story.

CAISSIE: Yeah, completely. Effectively, as Bess stated, it’s so attention-grabbing that we don’t finish the place we begin: that the fright of antisemitism, and its rise, each time it swells in our communities, is all the way down to many, many elements that form of creep slowly. And what I feel is basically attention-grabbing about how Tom has structured Leopoldstadt is that we meet this household, this prolonged household, when issues have been good—after they have been Jewish with out being “offensive,” after they have been within the community-ish, form of assimilated. And we see as time goes on how they’re pushed additional and additional away from society and demonized and scapegoated and all of that. However I do know as a Jew rising up, I felt like I had quite a lot of Holocaust training, however not quite a lot of training about prior. That was actually attention-grabbing, engaged on this play, doing all of the analysis, doing all of the studying, simply getting in contact with these thriving communities that existed in Europe earlier than the Holocaust. I feel that’s what’s hitting individuals like a ton of bricks at our present, as a result of they’ve heard that there’s Holocaust components of this play, however the play opens with a extremely full of life, blissful Jewish household bantering and arguing and discussing with a Christmas tree onstage. In Vienna. Like, What is that this? Did we purchase the best tickets?

GABRIELLE: Michael, I’m curious, as a result of from what I’ve learn—I sadly was not in a position to see the very quick Metropolis Middle manufacturing’s run—however you integrated in your route components that weren’t within the time interval, am I proper? That have been calling out to completely different moments in time?

MICHAEL: I imply, I used quite a lot of historic pictures. It was actually necessary to me that, once we met a personality, we noticed a photograph of that actual individual, so we actually understood that this individual actually existed, that they walked the earth like we do. I actually wished to have interaction the viewers on a extra energetic degree, so seeing photographs of those individuals whereas taking a look at actors onstage—you’re seeing Lucille and Leo Frank’s photos, however then taking a look at Micaela Diamond and Ben Platt, and understanding they’re taking part in these individuals. So in a Brechtian Verfremdungseffekt-like means, we weren’t simply on an emotional journey, we have been, as an viewers, engaged as essential thinkers on the identical time. That was one thing that was actually necessary to me. And there have been some trendy components bookending it. That was necessary to me. I flew down the week earlier than rehearsal to Marietta and drove out to the lynching web site, and took projection pictures for the manufacturing and did video for it. It was necessary to me to be reminded of what that place appears like now: It’s now a Waffle Home. There’s a Chick-fil-A there, it’s on the facet of a freeway. And in the end he’s certainly forgotten in some ways. This story has been forgotten, as have the uncountable lynchings that occurred post-Civil Battle to now. And in a means, lynchings are nonetheless occurring, they’re simply in numerous kinds; individuals occur to put on badges and shoot individuals within the again. This factor continues to be occurring. And it was necessary for me to remind the viewers that yeah, if this tiny little landmark on the facet of the freeway that nobody is aware of is there’s so simply forgotten so shortly, it may well occur once more. It was necessary to me to actually make it about now, and present that this cycle is ever persevering with. I feel Aeschylus was making an attempt to level this out: When can we cease? When can we cease saying, “I’m hurting, due to this fact I want another person to harm greater than me so I really feel happier”? I feel that’s what this play is about. When individuals don’t have a option to deal or articulate their trauma like this, horrible issues can happen.

And should I say another factor? In Parade, everyone seems to be a sufferer. The Black characters are victims. Leo’s a sufferer. Lucille’s a sufferer, Mary Phagan is definitely a sufferer. We’re all coping with this, with the reverberation of this, and I feel if we start to grasp that what ties us collectively is, in a means, that we’re all coping with this, then the divides might sound much less large between sure teams.

Tovah Feldshuh and Jared Grimes in “Humorous Woman” on Broadway. (Photograph by Matthew Murphy)

GABRIELLE: One thing that’s so placing, simply listening to all of you discuss, is that this sense of virtually an ethical crucial. It appears like every of you’ve gotten skilled, engaged on these performs, moments of understanding that there was a way of moral or ethical goal driving you ahead. Tovah, I might love to start with you. I’m so glad that Humorous Woman is part of this dialog, as a result of Humorous Woman is a lot about Jewish pleasure and Jewish success in America—such an exquisite story to be telling onstage. I might love to listen to from you about that query of whether or not you as an actor, as an individual or as a Jewish individual, really feel that you’ve got some sort of ethical or moral crucial to be taking part in this half?

TOVAH: Effectively, I used to be fortunate. I used to be born Terri Sue Feldshuh in an undisclosed decade, and I modified my title to Tovah—it’s really on this memoir that was revealed by Hachette final 12 months known as Lillyville: Mom, Daughter, and Different Roles I’ve Performed. I fell in love with a boy at Wesleyan named Michael Fairchild, and he didn’t just like the title Terry Sue, he stated, “What sort of a reputation is Terry Sue for a lady such as you’re? You’re from the North. What else have been you known as?” And I stated, “I used to be known as Tovah in Sunday faculty.” I didn’t say Hebrew faculty, nevertheless it was Hebrew faculty—it was a part of the conservative motion, Tuesdays and Thursdays, from 4 to six and Sundays from 9 to 1, and I used to be the one bat mitzvah at Quaker Ridge Faculty. However I had a father who was a G.I. and he was in intelligence, and Basic Eisenhower selected Jewish boys who have been fluent in German, and he let these Jewish boys interrogate the SS and the Wehrmacht to determine who went to Nuremberg. My father received dwelling in ’46, I used to be not but born, however by the point I used to be a bit lady, he at all times used to say, “Be pleased with being Jewish and have pleasure in it, as a result of you can be reminded anyway.” Anyway, by altering my title to Tovah Feldshuh my perceived worth modified, and the panorama of my whole creative life modified. I began to inherit roles of nice Jewish heroines, whether or not it’s mild RBG, Ruth Westheimer, Golda Meir.

And Rosie Brice. It was a really massive factor to make it possible for my baby was the seed, that I used to be the harbor, I used to be the stomach from which she got here. I used to be the primary individual of dream and imaginative and prescient that Fanny Brice would then fulfill, which is any immigrant dream. Additionally, we received fortunate as a result of it’s an American story, within the sense that Lea Michele has been taking part in Fanny Brice and marinating that half for 18 years, so she was able to rock and roll. She was the primary one that may take that mantle from Streisand, create her personal Fanny Brice along with her huge expertise, and inform this Jewish story with pleasure. As a result of it lurks—Streisand is lurking within the background. I noticed her after I was 13 years previous. I really I wrote her, “Pricey Barbra, I’m lastly taking part in your mom, love, Tovah.” And he or she wrote me again!

And I’ll say it proper out to Kanye West, and this fabulous individual, Mr. Irving—I feel it’s crucial to talk out and to face up and to say, “Look who flanked Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Motion. Maintain your eyes 20/20, please.” It’s fascinating to me. I’ve by no means skilled something like this in my life, and I’ve had seven many years on this planet. I’ve by no means skilled antisemitism so overt and controversial as it’s now. And I don’t get it, as a result of if they arrive after us, who do you suppose they’re going to go after subsequent? Come on.

The forged of “Leopoldstadt” on Broadway. (Photograph by Joan Marcus)

GABRIELLE: Thanks. I wish to choose up on one thing you stated about Leopoldstadt and throw this to you, Caissie, which is that I feel like one of the stunning components of that play is how a lot time it spends, as you have been saying, within the household unit, in Jewish pleasure and relationships and ritual as effectively; we get that Seder midway by the play. I’d like to ask once more this query of morality and ethics and theatre, however particularly about you attending to painting not simply Jewish struggling but in addition Jewish pleasure, your ritual connection to household and the way that has been for you as a performer.

CAISSIE: It’s been actually, actually particular. I used to be the lady that within the early components of my profession may by no means get an audition for Fiddler; I’d by no means performed any Jewish roles till lately, actually until COVID hit, after which I used to be in Caroline, or Change, which was a really Jewish present. It was new territory for me. After which I went straight to The Bedwetter Off-Broadway, which was one other Jewish position, not likely to do with something non secular, extra simply cultural. And now Leopoldstadt. It’s been actually wild, really, for me to analyze, what does that imply to me onstage—this enormous a part of who I’m and who I’ve at all times been now displaying up in my artwork in a means that it by no means had? I discover it I discover it actually transferring. , on Broadway and Off-Broadway, we do exhibits on all the key Jewish holidays, however in fact not on Christmas or New Yr’s Eve, and I’ll ceaselessly be irritated by that. However particularly with Leopoldstadt. We had exhibits on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, and it felt very unsuitable. Greater than on Caroline, or Change, greater than on any present I’ve ever accomplished. I used to be actually grappling with it. We had simply began previews, and so I understood that the best way the calendar fell, there was most likely no means round it. It was attention-grabbing, as a result of I assumed, effectively, no Jews are going to return see this present on Yom Kippur. Then I received a bunch of texts from individuals who have been like, “Oh, I simply broke the quick and I’m right here on the present.” And I spotted that it was a means for sure Jews to specific their Judaism or to really feel related to their Judaism. So I felt a specific amount of pleasure in engaged on that day. , I’m not non secular, however I simply felt like this present and the subject material perhaps warranted a cancellation or reschedule on these holidays. However in the long run, it ended up being fairly significant to carry out this Jewish piece on an important date on our calendar—to recollect these those that have been misplaced, and make investments all this time on this household and care about them and know them as individuals, after which we finish, you understand, with the lack of the generations of this household.

I discover it actually transferring each evening, and I discover it actually difficult. Some nights I’m actually affected by the piece and being a Jew and being an actor on this piece. Different nights, I feel I sort of maintain it at arm’s size, simply form of as a survival mechanism. Particularly, as Tovah was saying, with what’s occurring in our nation and in our world proper now, and this actually scary uptick in antisemitism, I really feel it’s extra necessary than ever to be telling this story. And I really feel actually privileged that I get to be a part of it and honor the those that got here earlier than me. I feel it’s what quite a lot of artwork, the aim of creating theater, is about. It’s about remembering the those that got here earlier than us and honoring their legacies. I really feel that I’m ready to try this on this piece. And that hopefully will ship individuals out of the theatre on the finish of the evening asking questions on their very own households, whether or not they’re Jews or in any other case. It’s about remembering the those that got here earlier than you, doing higher than the final era, having robust conversations, standing up for what’s proper, being an energetic participant on the planet, and standing up for people who find themselves your individuals, and individuals who aren’t, and doing the best factor in order that historical past doesn’t repeat itself. That’s my primary takeaway. , it’s nice to do a extremely enjoyable Broadway musical, nevertheless it’s actually fantastic to do a chunk that you simply suppose is really touching individuals and sending them out into the world with an thought about how they wish to change their lives.

Gabrielle Hoyt is a dramaturg, author, and director. She is pursuing her MFA at Yale. @gabhoyt 

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